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Cofnod y Trafodion
The Record of Proceedings

Y Pwyllgor Cyllid

The Finance Committee


Agenda’r Cyfarfod
Meeting Agenda

Trawsgrifiadau’r Pwyllgor
Committee Transcripts




3        Cyflwyniadau, Ymddiheuriadau a Dirprwyon
Introductions, Apologies and Substitutions


4        Papurau i’w Nodi
Papers to Note


5        Cynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 i Benderfynu Gwahardd y Cyhoedd o Eitem 4
Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to Resolve to Exclude the Public from Item 4

















Cofnodir y trafodion yn yr iaith y llefarwyd hwy ynddi yn y pwyllgor. Yn ogystal, cynhwysir trawsgrifiad o’r cyfieithu ar y pryd.


The proceedings are reported in the language in which they were spoken in the committee. In addition, a transcription of the simultaneous interpretation is included.


Aelodau’r pwyllgor yn bresennol
Committee members in attendance


Jocelyn Davies

Plaid Cymru (Cadeirydd y Pwyllgor)
The Party of Wales (Committee Chair)


Mike Hedges



Alun Ffred Jones

Plaid Cymru
The Party of Wales


Ann Jones



Julie Morgan



Swyddogion Cynulliad Cenedlaethol Cymru yn bresennol
National Assembly for Wales officials in attendance


Leanne Hatcher


Ail Glerc
Second Clerk


Gerallt Roberts

Dirprwy Glerc
Deputy Clerk


Helen Jones

Y Gwasanaeth Ymchwil
Research Service


Joanest Varney-Jackson

Uwch-gynghorydd Cyfreithiol

Senior Legal Adviser


Dechreuodd y cyfarfod am 09:30.
The meeting began at 09:30.


Cyflwyniadau, Ymddiheuriadau a Dirprwyon
Introductions, Apologies and Substitutions


[1]          Jocelyn Davies: Welcome, everybody, to the very last meeting of the Finance Committee. Can you just check that, if you’ve got a mobile device, it’s on ‘silent’, especially you, Mike Hedges?


[2]          Mike Hedges: I think it is, Chair. It only ever made a noise once—[Inaudible.]—I don’t know how, and I don’t know why, but it’s on ‘silent’ for everything. So, I can only apologise and say there’s nothing I can do to stop it happening again. [Laughter.]


[3]          Jocelyn Davies: Okay. I know it was only once, but we do remember.


[4]          Mike Hedges: And I do, and thank you for reminding me. [Laughter.]


[5]          Jocelyn Davies: We’ve had no apologies, so I am expecting Chris Chapman, Peter Black and Nick Ramsay to arrive very soon.




Papurau i’w Nodi
Papers to Note


[6]          Jocelyn Davies: We’ve got a number of papers to note. Are they all okay? Any comments on those?


[7]          Okay, then, before we move into private session, I’d like to thank the Commission staff—I’m sure all the Members would join me in doing that—for their efforts in making us look so good when we are going about our work. And I’d also like to thank you, Members, because you’ve been so fabulous. So, I now move the motion under—


[8]          Mike Hedges: Before you do that—[Inaudible.]—we’d like to thank you for the way you’ve chaired it and the fair way you’ve chaired it, and the way you’ve involved everybody and taken into account different political opinions during your time. I’ve said to you privately, and I’ll say to you publicly, that I’ve seen you and Christine Chapman chair committees, and Ann Jones, and if I ever become Chair of a committee, you three are people I’d like to base my chairing on.


[9]          Jocelyn Davies: Well, there we are; that’s lovely, Mike. It’s fabulous to think that I could be a role model for Mike Hedges. [Laughter.]




Cynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 i Benderfynu Gwahardd y Cyhoedd o Eitem 4
Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to Resolve to Exclude the Public from
Item 4





bod y pwyllgor yn penderfynu gwahardd y cyhoedd o Eitem 4 yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.42(vi).


that the committee resolves to exclude the public from Item 4 in accordance with Standing Order 17.42(vi).


Cynigiwyd y cynnig.
Motion moved.


[10]      Jocelyn Davies: So, under 17.42, then, shall we move into private session for the rest of the meeting? Right. Lovely. Thank you.


Derbyniwyd y cynnig.
Motion agreed.


Daeth rhan gyhoeddus y cyfarfod i ben am 09:32.
The public part of the meeting ended at 09:32.